[tournament-org] WhereIsTheBar

[TobyManning]

At the Wessex on Sunday, with an entry of 6d*/4d**/1d/1d/1d/1d/1k/1k, 
the bar was put at 4 dan (!).

*Actually 4dan on the EGF rating system

** First tournament in Europe, I believe

So in the first round the 6 dan played the 4 dan and the four 1 dans 
played amongst themselves; subsequent games  were played without handicap.

As a result the 4 dan was awarded second place, despite losing all three 
of her games.

So effectively the bar was at 1 dan, but the player placed second should 
really have been 7th.

In this case (and with 20/20 hindsight) the bar should have been at 1 
dan (or possibly 1 kyu).

Toby


On 01/10/2018 12:41, Jenny Rofe-Radcliffe via tournament-org wrote:
> Hi Geoff,
>
> Ooh, an interesting challenge. I am just going to write a couple of 
> lines of filler so other people can hopefully avoid reading my answer 
> before they write their own, as well as avoiding reading the handbook.
>
> My short answer is: it depends. In an ideal world, eight is the 
> perfect number above the bar for a three round tournament, because (if 
> jigo is disallowed) that guarantees a single unique winner.
>
> However, there are two problems with that: eight players would mean 
> differentiating the 3k players somehow, and it would also involve the 
> possibility of a hilariously uneven game between the 5d and whichever 
> 3k was above the bar. There are circumstances in which I might go 
> ahead with this anyway - if the GoR of the two 3ks is widely spaced, 
> *and* it's a reasonably informal and friendly tournament in which I 
> have sole authority to make this kind of decision[1] *and* the 5d is a 
> nice friendly person who doesn't mind rapidly and politely mashing a 
> 3k and then giving them a teaching review until other players are 
> done[2], *and* the stronger 3k is going to enjoy and benefit from such 
> a beating. If this is what I do, I at least consider re-randomising a 
> few times if the first round does draw the 3k against the 5d.
>
> I really don't want to have an odd number above the bar, so if the 
> criteria don't apply with the 3ks, I look to see if I can split the 
> 2ks instead, on the same model. And if that doesn't work, maybe I do 
> it with the 1ks.
>
> Clearly if it's a more formal tournament or one in which I don't have 
> sole decision-making power, I will see whether there are official 
> rules or other organisers with strong opinions.
>
> If I don't know the 5d well enough to make any judgement of how they 
> will handle the situation, I might well err on the side of splitting 
> the 1ks on GoR.
>
> I probably default to splitting the 2ks on GoR, in the absence of 
> information about all these permutations. And I simultaneously swear 
> at and bless the 1d who has shown up at the last minute to hopefully 
> make the 5d's tournament a bit more interesting.
>
> Note that this all sounds quite convoluted but actually, I have 
> probably done some version of all this thinking *before* the last 
> minute. Because I have met dan players before and I know there's 
> always a good chance of a last minute entry or a no-show.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jenny
>
>
> [1] It's my tournament and I'll make people cry if I want to ...
> [2] It wasn't a 5d and a 3k, but my game against Paul Christie in the 
> Scottish Open of 2009 is my benchmark here. He didn't try to take 
> every stone off the board, he just calmly and reasonably beat me, and 
> then explained how he'd done it. It was great. Perfect example of how 
> to handle this sort of situation. And then he went on to get more 
> interesting games.
>
> On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 11:45, Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org 
> <tournament-org at lists.britgo.org 
> <mailto:tournament-org at lists.britgo.org>> wrote:
>
>     You have just registered your last player who happens to be 1d and
>     people are waiting impatiently,  wanting to get on with your 3 round
>     McMahon tournament.
>
>     You are now faced with with the problem of where to set the the bar.
>     Suppose in this tournament the top players are:
>
>     5d 1d 1d 1k 1k 2k 2k 3k 3k 4k 4k 5k .....
>
>     Assuming all players enter at a realistic grade, where would you
>     set the
>     bar?
>
>     It would be interesting to see your instinctive answer, rather than
>     consulting the Tournament Organiser's Handbook.
>
>     -- 
>     Geoff
>
>     33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW 01223 710582
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     tournament-org mailing list
>     tournament-org at lists.britgo.org
>     <mailto:tournament-org at lists.britgo.org>
>     http://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tournament-org mailing list
> tournament-org at lists.britgo.org
> http://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org

-- 
Toby Manning
26 Groby Lane
Newtown Linford
LE6 0HH
01530 245298

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.britgo.org/pipermail/tournament-org/attachments/20181030/30b49639/attachment.html>