[tournament-org] TournamentEntryGrades

[Geoff Kaniuk]

I think it would be very worthwhile if we could actually identify TD 
practice rather than speculating.

  I know of a few well organised TD's who wil test things out in the 
week before thr the tournament start.  There are others who might start 
entering players into GoDraw months before the event. I can imagine such 
TD's getting very irritated if every time they run they run the program, 
the message regarding out of date files flashes up.

I think this should happen perhaps once this discussion is done, and 
certainly after Barmouth.

Geoff

33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW 01223 710582

On 17/06/2019 15:26, Matt Marsh via tournament-org wrote:
> Geoff,
> 
> I think this is what actually happens in a lot of cases:
> 
> TDs often test running Godraw in the days leading up to a tournament. I know that I do this in order to test that everything is working fine and ready for the tournament.
> 
> In these cases, a warning that my player file is out of date would prompt me to update it at that point.
> 
> Whilst this may not be as perfect as fetching a new file on the day of the tournament, it will still fix cases where people are using very old files - in some cases from last time they ran a tournament 1 year before (I have seen this happen).
> 
> I appreciate that some people may only test Godraw on the day of the tournament at the venue and maybe don't have access to the internet (though most will). But there are still many of us who check Godraw in the days before the tournament who it would work for. It definitely makes things better for a lot of people and doesn't make anything worse for those who don't do it as far as I can see.
> 
> At least those who can't or don't update their file will have been warned that they are using out of date information and perhaps that might encourage them to enter into more of a discussion with players at the registration desk regarding their rank.
> 
> In cases where people are using a reasonably up to date player file I believe it will provide a much better starting point if the grades within it are based on latest rating rather than on the entry grade from the last tournament. It won't be perfect, but I believe there will be a higher percentage of players who are defaulted to a 'right' grade.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that these changes would solve all problems - they don't. But they would, in my view, fix a number of common scenarios and with relatively small changes to be made. Conversely, I don't see that they make anything worse - only better.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019, at 15:08, Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org wrote:
>> Thanks Jenny.
>>
>> I am not sure I understand your first question. I am not against using
>> technology and much of it actually does work most of the time. What I am
>> concerned about is TD's becoming over confident and not adequately
>> preparing for the draw before the tournament starts.
>>
>> I also believe in solving problems in the simplest way possible. But the
>> solutions proposed rely on TD's being prepared to update their files
>> shortly before the tournament starts. Not all do.
>>
>> Example:
>> TD arrives at venue 9am to open up for a Tournament to start at 10:15,
>> and knows latest player list with up to date grades can be downloaded
>> from BGA site. Tries to download file but internet connection is down.
>> Checks provider status which says we are currently in maintenance and
>> will be up and running at 11:30 - sorry for the inconvenience!
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> 33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW 01223 710582
>>
>> On 17/06/2019 10:44, Jenny Rofe-Radcliffe via tournament-org wrote:
>>> I expect we can all do the draw and prize-list by hand if our computer
>>> collapses in the middle of a round (I did, for London's prizes last year)
>>> but it's not *completely* unreasonable to say that when we know our venues
>>> and our technology, we can expect to use it. Otherwise what are we doing
>>> using GoDraw at all, Geoff?
>>>
>>> That said, a simple reminder from GoDraw to download the latest player list
>>> would be fine by me.
>>>
>>> In broad principle I agree with the ideas in both Geoff's original post and
>>> Matt's response, but as Matt's suggestions look as if they'd solve most of
>>> the problems in a very simple way, I like them best; I believe in solving
>>> problems the easiest ways.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 10:34, Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org <
>>> tournament-org at lists.britgo.org> wrote:
>>>
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