[tournament-org] Tournament organiser's mailing list

Fri Jul 20 14:53:25 BST 2018

So, let ‘s deal with the low-lying fruits in this forum and pick up what I call the use-cases  as and when they stabilise and it becomes clear that we can contribute and benefit from somehow.

From: Paul Barnard via tournament-org <tournament-org at lists.britgo.org> 
Sent: 20 July 2018 12:06
To: Club-chair at britgo.org; tournament-org at lists.britgo.org
Subject: Re: [tournament-org] Tournament organiser's mailing list

You can lead a horse to water....

Club membership and BGA membership overlap, but less than they used to, and neither is necessary for the other. We have to recognise this and be clear about what we want and why we want it.

Clearly we want to support clubs by encouraging no-clubbers to make the effort to turn up. But I think a flyer is the maximum viable/sustainable effort credible for this.

Similarly, we want to encourage no-clubbers that are also not BGA members to join the BGA. But we also want to encourage clubbers who are not BGA members to join the BGA. Should there be a different approach to these two groups?  I think not. Again, pointing out that joining the BGA will generate a discount on the tournament fee, and provision of a flyer identifying other reasons to join, would be about as much is we could ask/expect tournament organisers to do.

Complicating the issue is the fact that there are a lot of clubs whose identified contacts are not BGA members. 20 out of 70, in November 2016 when I tried to promulgate a GoTalk discussion about that, seeking to understand what the BGA could do to encourage them to join. I got so much shit in that discussion, being accused to saying/doing things that I hadn't, I quit as membership secretary. So I don't think I can help further on this!

--Paul

On 20/07/2018 01:47, Club-chair at britgo.org <mailto:Club-chair at britgo.org>  wrote:

Hi, Paul

I was also hoping to find a simple approach. 

Firstly, though, we need to separate two issues: getting people to affiliate to a club and getting them to subscribe to the BGA are not the same thing (or are they? See below). Looking back  over the summer’s tournaments there were only a handful of no-club entrants, many of them ‘usual suspects’  who entered several events. I only spotted a couple of unfamiliar names and they tended to only go to one event registered as no-club. I didn’t take it any further but perhaps they have subsequently attended more events with club affiliation?

I’ve just downloaded the ratings table, which says 65 out of 496 players are no-club. That is consistent with the half a dozen event results that I looked at. So perhaps the number of events no-club people enter is also informative.

For the Scottish Open, we offered to charge non-members the members’ rate if they joined on the day. Special offer, get £6 off your entry to the competition. The plan was to get them to subscribe online once we’d finished registration or between rounds. Nobody asked. There were three no-club players, all of them stalwart players and none of them claiming BGA membership. The others, bar two, were paid up members. The two non-members were one student and one first-time player.

Post tournament analysis is the challenging one, especially with the transient foreign portion of our players.  The level of ambition must justify the effort. Do we want to identify someone who has relocated so that we can introduce them to a local club? Perhaps the answer to that is that they should be just as capable of using the Clubs Directory as we are!

When I first joined Council, I started thinking about use cases and how well we support them. That is back-burner stuff till I get the Clubs Directory in better shape.

Neil 

From: Paul Barnard  <mailto:paul at psaa.me.uk> <paul at psaa.me.uk> 
Sent: 19 July 2018 19:02
To: Club-chair at britgo.org <mailto:Club-chair at britgo.org> ; tournament-org at lists.britgo.org <mailto:tournament-org at lists.britgo.org> 
Subject: Re: [tournament-org] Tournament organiser's mailing list

The simple approach would be to hand a flyer to any 'no-club' entrant when registering at the entry desk. Not much of a burden.

More difficult would be to collect such entrants' email addresses and physical addresses at registration (often not done) and do some post-tournament location analysis and emailing. Quite a burden. And quite a few people spend a lot of the year away from their nominal address, so the analysis might not be very accurate even if done.

I imagine it would be fairly simple to produce a simple flyer pointing at the BGA website club page.

--Paul B

On 19/07/2018 16:13, Club-chair--- via tournament-org wrote:

Hi,

I would be interested in exploring the brief discussion earlier this year about using tournament registration info to point ‘no club’ entrants towards existing and emerging clubs and vice versa. I think it was (perhaps unkindly) labelled “too difficult” at the time.

Neil

From: Matt Marsh via tournament-org  <mailto:tournament-org at lists.britgo.org> <tournament-org at lists.britgo.org> 
Sent: 18 July 2018 21:57
To: Tournament Org  <mailto:tournament-org at lists.britgo.org> <tournament-org at lists.britgo.org>
Subject: [tournament-org] Tournament organiser's mailing list

Hi all,

Thank you all for agreeing to be on this new mailing list for tournament organisers. Please feel free to use the list to communicate with other tournament organisers. Any  tournament related topics are up for discussion here:

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