<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font size="4">Folks:</font><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">If GoDraw is under discussion, I would like to repeat a whinge which I have been making for some years. If the draw is to be posted on a notice board, it should be printed out in a much larger font. This would prevent the bees-round-a honey-pot crush of people trying to see the small print, and in particular would be a courtesy to people like myself whose eyesight is deteriorating. Small print is difficult for me at the best of times. I do not believe that modern IT technology is unequal to the task.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">Regards,</font></div><div><font size="4">Francis</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"><br clear="all"></font><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4"><img style="margin: 0px 0.2ex; vertical-align: middle;" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/e/813" width="15" height="15">Francis<img style="margin: 0px 0.2ex; vertical-align: middle;" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/e/813" width="15" height="15"><br clear="all"></font></div><div><font size="4">Personal website: <a href="https://francisroads.co.uk" style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"" target="_blank">https://francisroads.co.uk</a></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"></span></font></p>
<div><font size="4">West Gallery Music website: <a href="https://www.rodingmusic.co.uk/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">https://rodingmusic.co.uk/</a><br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><font size="4"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font size="4">On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 12:04, Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org <<a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a>> wrote:<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4">To respond to Richard's complaint about the GoDraw Results box:<br>
Homo Sapiens has 5 fingers each hand. It might be conjectured that for <br>
this reason the human brain is good at holding up to 5 pieces of <br>
information at a time.<br>
<br>
Spacing out lists in bunches of 5 makes reading easier as well. In <br>
other pairing programs I have used, results input can be a long unbroken <br>
list with data entry entirely via mouse click. Much RSI!<br>
<br>
In GoDraw you can enter by mouse, but you can also enter by keystroke. <br>
The draw is printed in sections of 5. In most cases you enter 0 or 1, <br>
but players often just circle the winner.<br>
<br>
Everybody likes to work differently, but here is what I do:<br>
1. Wait till all results are in and recruit a helper.<br>
2. Write the result on the draw sheet for B and W in the space indicated <br>
next to the name.<br>
3. Helper reads out the sequence of 5 B results from the first batch.<br>
4. I then type that sequence and press enter.<br>
5. The display shows the next batch of 5 results.<br>
6. Repeat at step 3 till all B results have been entered.<br>
<br>
Players get very annoyed if a result has been wrongly entered. So I <br>
check the result entry:<br>
<br>
1. Scroll back to board 1.<br>
2. Read out the 5 W results.<br>
3. Helper confirms.<br>
4. Press PgDn<br>
5. Repeat at step 2<br>
<br>
I claim that it will be difficult to find a faster or more accurate <br>
entry method.<br>
<br>
I hope this answers the question. Would you like your own custom <br>
version of the program - I am making the source available.<br>
<br>
Geoff<br>
<br>
33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW 01223 710582<br>
<br>
On 06/04/2023 02:27, Richard Wheeldon via tournament-org wrote:<br>
> Agree with Gerry's comment.<br>
> <br>
> Specific dislikes:<br>
> 1. Those people who don't tell the TD they're turning up until right <br>
> before the round is due to start.<br>
> 2. Those who don't tell the TD that they're not turning up and leave <br>
> their opponent hanging around waiting.<br>
> 3. Cheats (thankfully very rare, but...)<br>
> 4. The inevitable faffing with printers<br>
> <br>
> Would like to see:<br>
> 1. More volunteers in general<br>
> 2. More ghosts in particular<br>
> 3. A bigger box on GoDraw for entering results (why only 5 ?)<br>
> <br>
> Richard<br>
> <br>
>> On 05/04/2023 22:04:49, Gerry Gavigan via tournament-org <br>
>> <<a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> For me it's simple: the (many, one) problem.<br>
>><br>
>> No matter how much information you supply: stuck on the walls, on the <br>
>> internet, tattooed to their ......g forehead, many are unable to self <br>
>> serve but would rather ask the TD. This reflects a basic failure to <br>
>> understand that TDs are generally busy with your next round while you <br>
>> are pondering if you have got time to nip out to Tesco.<br>
>><br>
>> I think this dovetails with my reaction to Geoff's comment.<br>
>><br>
>> While I appreciate a player might not want to play someone from the <br>
>> same club and it is admirable that GoDraw has a facility to prevent <br>
>> it, I suggest they suck it up and get stronger faster than their local <br>
>> opponent so it doesn't happen again.<br>
>><br>
>> In London the problem is amplified by players affiliated to different <br>
>> clubs meeting each other fairly regularly and I do not know if GoDraw <br>
>> (or care, actually) can prevent that.<br>
>><br>
>> TDs are not running a small business, players are not their customers, <br>
>> some Go players volunteer to provide tournaments for other Go players. <br>
>> Those other Go players should be more appreciative and accepting of <br>
>> the small inconveneiences.<br>
>><br>
>> I for one cannot both organise and play, and spend more time than most <br>
>> organising tournaments. It's my choice but please do not expect me to <br>
>> rush round wiping your brow with a silk handkerchief<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > On 05/04/2023 22:41 BST Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Agreed re title. Ten things TD would like to see?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > GoDraw tries hard to pair players below the bar from different clubs <br>
>> The<br>
>> > player annoyance seems to get more intense the closer you get to the<br>
>> > bottom of the draw.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The only alternative is to offer a handicap game instead of same club.<br>
>> > GoDraw has a handicap bar that the DM can set - its default value is <br>
>> 10k.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > It means that for grades below the handicap bar, players will be paired<br>
>> > with higher handicaps rather than same club where an even game+other<br>
>> > club is not possible.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Once the draw is done GoDraw provides a comment on each pairing giving<br>
>> > the DM a change to try to modify the pairing if a same club game seems<br>
>> > to be unreasonable.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Note that a player who enters as No Club will happily play any other<br>
>> > player even another No Club player.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > So although I agree that we prefer to play even, if the same club<br>
>> > pairing is an issue then in my experience forcing an even game can lead<br>
>> > to great unhappiness.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Geoff<br>
>> ><br>
>> > 33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW 01223 710582<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 05/04/2023 18:30, Matt Marsh via tournament-org wrote:<br>
>> > > Colin,<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, at 13:49, Colin Williams via tournament-org wrote:<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> For the next BGJ but one I’d like to write a short article about the<br>
>> > >> top ten things that a Tournament Director hates, with the <br>
>> intention to<br>
>> > >> help educate or remind people in order to make our life easier.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Education is always good - though I do hope it will be given a <br>
>> different<br>
>> > > title than "top ten things that a Tournament Director hates" - I'd<br>
>> > > "hate" it to come across as though all TDs are constantly <br>
>> miserable and<br>
>> > > disgruntled about all the attendee behaviour...<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >> Please let me have any pet peeves you have around people entering or<br>
>> > >> attending tournaments and I’ll try and pull something together.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Not so much a "hate", but one thing I've noticed come up numerous <br>
>> times<br>
>> > > from players is an annoyance when they are paired against someone <br>
>> from<br>
>> > > their own club. Some education on why this happens wouldn't go a <br>
>> miss...<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > I think the point to try and get across is that when they enter most<br>
>> > > normal UK tournaments, which might have 30-40 people, there aren't <br>
>> that<br>
>> > > many players around their strength to match them with. Pairing <br>
>> programs<br>
>> > > like GoDraw are primarily trying to pair people based on MMS (and <br>
>> making<br>
>> > > sure they don't play the same person twice!), and whilst they will <br>
>> try<br>
>> > > to avoid same-club matches, it's a lesser objective and often<br>
>> > > unavoidable to some extent. The alternative would be more handicap <br>
>> games<br>
>> > > - which seems like a worse alternative in general to me.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Hope this helps,<br>
>> > > Matt<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > --<br>
>> > > *Matt Marsh*<br>
>> > > <a href="mailto:matt@crazedbytes.net" target="_blank">matt@crazedbytes.net</a><br>
>> > > +44 (0)7795 297779<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
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