I'd also be interested in seeing the code, if it is made publicly available. <div><br></div><div>Andrew </div><div><br><br>On Thursday, 6 April 2023, Richard Wheeldon via tournament-org <<a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;text-align:left" dir="ltr">
Thanks for the response and I'm tempted to say yes please in terms of a custom fork. Is the source going on github (or somewhere similar)?<div><br></div><div>Richard</div><div></div><blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-top:20px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px">
<p style="color:#aaaaaa;margin-top:10px">On 06/04/2023 11:04:41, Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org <<a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank">tournament-org@lists.britgo.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</p><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">To respond to Richard's complaint about the GoDraw Results box:<br>Homo Sapiens has 5 fingers each hand. It might be conjectured that for <br>this reason the human brain is good at holding up to 5 pieces of <br>information at a time.<br><br>Spacing out lists in bunches of 5 makes reading easier as well. In <br>other pairing programs I have used, results input can be a long unbroken <br>list with data entry entirely via mouse click. Much RSI!<br><br>In GoDraw you can enter by mouse, but you can also enter by keystroke. <br>The draw is printed in sections of 5. In most cases you enter 0 or 1, <br>but players often just circle the winner.<br><br>Everybody likes to work differently, but here is what I do:<br>1. Wait till all results are in and recruit a helper.<br>2. Write the result on the draw sheet for B and W in the space indicated <br>next to the name.<br>3. Helper reads out the sequence of 5 B results from the first batch.<br>4. I then type that sequence and press enter.<br>5. The display shows the next batch of 5 results.<br>6. Repeat at step 3 till all B results have been entered.<br><br>Players get very annoyed if a result has been wrongly entered. So I <br>check the result entry:<br><br>1. Scroll back to board 1.<br>2. Read out the 5 W results.<br>3. Helper confirms.<br>4. Press PgDn<br>5. Repeat at step 2<br><br>I claim that it will be difficult to find a faster or more accurate <br>entry method.<br><br>I hope this answers the question. Would you like your own custom <br>version of the program - I am making the source available.<br><br>Geoff<br><br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/33+Ashbury+Close,+Cambridge+CB1+3RW?entry=gmail&source=g">33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW</a> 01223 710582<br><br>On 06/04/2023 02:27, Richard Wheeldon via tournament-org wrote:<br>> Agree with Gerry's comment.<br>> <br>> Specific dislikes:<br>> 1. Those people who don't tell the TD they're turning up until right <br>> before the round is due to start.<br>> 2. Those who don't tell the TD that they're not turning up and leave <br>> their opponent hanging around waiting.<br>> 3. Cheats (thankfully very rare, but...)<br>> 4. The inevitable faffing with printers<br>> <br>> Would like to see:<br>> 1. More volunteers in general<br>> 2. More ghosts in particular<br>> 3. A bigger box on GoDraw for entering results (why only 5 ?)<br>> <br>> Richard<br>> <br>>> On 05/04/2023 22:04:49, Gerry Gavigan via tournament-org <br>>> <u></u> wrote:<br>>><br>>> For me it's simple: the (many, one) problem.<br>>><br>>> No matter how much information you supply: stuck on the walls, on the <br>>> internet, tattooed to their ......g forehead, many are unable to self <br>>> serve but would rather ask the TD. This reflects a basic failure to <br>>> understand that TDs are generally busy with your next round while you <br>>> are pondering if you have got time to nip out to Tesco.<br>>><br>>> I think this dovetails with my reaction to Geoff's comment.<br>>><br>>> While I appreciate a player might not want to play someone from the <br>>> same club and it is admirable that GoDraw has a facility to prevent <br>>> it, I suggest they suck it up and get stronger faster than their local <br>>> opponent so it doesn't happen again.<br>>><br>>> In London the problem is amplified by players affiliated to different <br>>> clubs meeting each other fairly regularly and I do not know if GoDraw <br>>> (or care, actually) can prevent that.<br>>><br>>> TDs are not running a small business, players are not their customers, <br>>> some Go players volunteer to provide tournaments for other Go players. <br>>> Those other Go players should be more appreciative and accepting of <br>>> the small inconveneiences.<br>>><br>>> I for one cannot both organise and play, and spend more time than most <br>>> organising tournaments. It's my choice but please do not expect me to <br>>> rush round wiping your brow with a silk handkerchief<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> > On 05/04/2023 22:41 BST Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Agreed re title. Ten things TD would like to see?<br>>> ><br>>> > GoDraw tries hard to pair players below the bar from different clubs <br>>> The<br>>> > player annoyance seems to get more intense the closer you get to the<br>>> > bottom of the draw.<br>>> ><br>>> > The only alternative is to offer a handicap game instead of same club.<br>>> > GoDraw has a handicap bar that the DM can set - its default value is <br>>> 10k.<br>>> ><br>>> > It means that for grades below the handicap bar, players will be paired<br>>> > with higher handicaps rather than same club where an even game+other<br>>> > club is not possible.<br>>> ><br>>> > Once the draw is done GoDraw provides a comment on each pairing giving<br>>> > the DM a change to try to modify the pairing if a same club game seems<br>>> > to be unreasonable.<br>>> ><br>>> > Note that a player who enters as No Club will happily play any other<br>>> > player even another No Club player.<br>>> ><br>>> > So although I agree that we prefer to play even, if the same club<br>>> > pairing is an issue then in my experience forcing an even game can lead<br>>> > to great unhappiness.<br>>> ><br>>> > Geoff<br>>> ><br>>> > <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/33+Ashbury+Close,+Cambridge+CB1+3RW?entry=gmail&source=g">33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW</a> 01223 710582<br>>> ><br>>> > On 05/04/2023 18:30, Matt Marsh via tournament-org wrote:<br>>> > > Colin,<br>>> > ><br>>> > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2023, at 13:49, Colin Williams via tournament-org wrote:<br>>> > >><br>>> > >> For the next BGJ but one I’d like to write a short article about the<br>>> > >> top ten things that a Tournament Director hates, with the <br>>> intention to<br>>> > >> help educate or remind people in order to make our life easier.<br>>> > >><br>>> > ><br>>> > > Education is always good - though I do hope it will be given a <br>>> different<br>>> > > title than "top ten things that a Tournament Director hates" - I'd<br>>> > > "hate" it to come across as though all TDs are constantly <br>>> miserable and<br>>> > > disgruntled about all the attendee behaviour...<br>>> > ><br>>> > >> Please let me have any pet peeves you have around people entering or<br>>> > >> attending tournaments and I’ll try and pull something together.<br>>> > >><br>>> > ><br>>> > > Not so much a "hate", but one thing I've noticed come up numerous <br>>> times<br>>> > > from players is an annoyance when they are paired against someone <br>>> from<br>>> > > their own club. Some education on why this happens wouldn't go a <br>>> miss...<br>>> > ><br>>> > > I think the point to try and get across is that when they enter most<br>>> > > normal UK tournaments, which might have 30-40 people, there aren't <br>>> that<br>>> > > many players around their strength to match them with. Pairing <br>>> programs<br>>> > > like GoDraw are primarily trying to pair people based on MMS (and <br>>> making<br>>> > > sure they don't play the same person twice!), and whilst they will <br>>> try<br>>> > > to avoid same-club matches, it's a lesser objective and often<br>>> > > unavoidable to some extent. The alternative would be more handicap <br>>> games<br>>> > > - which seems like a worse alternative in general to me.<br>>> > ><br>>> > > Hope this helps,<br>>> > > Matt<br>>> > ><br>>> > > --<br>>> > > *Matt Marsh*<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:matt@crazedbytes.net" target="_blank">matt@crazedbytes.net</a><br>>> > > +44 (0)7795 297779<br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>>> > > tournament-org mailing list<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank">tournament-org@lists.britgo.<wbr>org</a><br>>> > > <a href="https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org" target="_blank">https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/<wbr>tournament-org</a><br>>> ><br>>> > ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>>> > tournament-org mailing list<br>>> > <a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank">tournament-org@lists.britgo.<wbr>org</a><br>>> > <a href="https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org" target="_blank">https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/<wbr>tournament-org</a><br>>><br>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>>> tournament-org mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank">tournament-org@lists.britgo.<wbr>org</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org" target="_blank">https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/<wbr>tournament-org</a><br>> <br>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>> tournament-org mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank">tournament-org@lists.britgo.<wbr>org</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org" target="_blank">https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/<wbr>tournament-org</a><br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>tournament-org mailing list<br><a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank">tournament-org@lists.britgo.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org" target="_blank">https://lists.britgo.org/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/<wbr>tournament-org</a><br><u></u></div></blockquote>
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