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<p>I have started a new thread, although it follows on...</p>
<p>Somebody mentioned digital clocks doing Canadian overtime. Current thoughts (but subject to ratification) is that with digital clocks classical byoyomi is preferable....</p>
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<p>Toby</p>
<p>On 2018-10-28 12:21, Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org wrote:</p>
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<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">On 26 October 2018 at 14:12 Geoff Kaniuk via tournament-org <<a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" rel="noreferrer">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" rel="noreferrer">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a>>> wrote:<br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Som players may have thought that you can continue playing from the</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">bowl till your flag drops and at that point you count out fresh stones.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">That may have been the rule at some point in the distant past, but it no</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">longer is.</span></blockquote>
<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">I am unclear about the provenance or applicability of this rule so would be</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">grateful for elaboration.</span></blockquote>
<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /> Provenance is lost in the mists of time. It may have been used by a local UK tournament for a while. The above rule has no applicability as it is not used.<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">To be clear, it sounds right to me but in practice how does it play out?</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">A couple of years ago my opponent's flag dropped at the end of main time. </span></blockquote>
<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /> Therefore opponent is in overtime or has lost the game if it was sudden death.<br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Main time ends when the flag drops.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span><br /><br /> I
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">pointed this out and the referee declared that my opponent was not ultra vires</span></blockquote>
<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /> Its a long time since I have used any unfamiliar Latin so I looked it up and it seems to be legalese for something that has gone wrong with a contract so hardly of relevance here?<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span><br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">and could count out some stones and carry on as before. </span></blockquote>
<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /> When the flag drops in main time, the clocks are paused. You set the time period. Your opponent counts stones. You check that the count is accurate. It is now your turn to play and your opponent starts the clock.<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">(It took me several</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">minutes to find a referee, too..., and yes I was behind)</span></blockquote>
<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">If for some reason you need to find a referee:</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">1. Tell your opponent that this is needed.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">2. Pause the clocks.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">3. Search for referee.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span><br /><br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">This happened at a European tournament. I have since discussed this with UK</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">colleagues who on the whole have suggested I was being a bit unreasonable but I</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">cannot fathom the counterfactual .</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">My view had always been that playing time should be continuous</span></blockquote>
<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /> Game time as measured by the game clock is a consecutive sequence. Real time may show inactive periods.<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"> and it is up to</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">me to stop my flag falling in an unready state (end of main time, some stones</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">left to play after the byo-yomi period)</span></blockquote>
<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /> I think what you may be hinting at is only possible with a digital clock which can indicate a change of state without any break in its counting down. (I know that BGA is getting some digital clocks and maybe Matt can elaborate on how these manage Canadian overtime).<br /><br /> This is not possible with a mechanical clock. Also not possible with our BGA rules of play (derived from AGA rules)<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /> Sticking to mechanics: When the flag falls in main time you start overtime. Clocks are paused and then the flag is raised. When you count stones in overtime clocks are paused. If the flag falls you lose.<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><span style="white-space: nowrap;">If a gap after main time is allowed (5 second, 5 minutes, 5 years?) then its</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">that not the same as having stones left over in byo-yomi?</span><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">And what is the basis for the actual rule, please?</span></blockquote>
<span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Please see the Handbook - Organiser's Toolbag</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://www.britgo.org/organisers/handbook/tournamentd" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.britgo.org/organisers/handbook/tournamentd</a></span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Section D.1.2</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">]]</span><br /><br /> Geoff<br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">33 Ashbury Close, Cambridge CB1 3RW 01223 710582</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">On 26/10/2018 16:39, Gerry Gavigan via tournament-org wrote:</span><br /><br /> _______________________________________________<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">tournament-org mailing list</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" rel="noreferrer">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a></span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://lists.britgo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tournament-org</a></span></div>
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