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</head><body><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite">On 02 October 2018 at 12:34 TobyManning via tournament-org <tournament-org@lists.britgo.org> wrote: <br> <br><p><br></p><p>1) Your probabilities are incorrect : 86.6 +(2*1.8) + (2*0.4) does not add up to 100%.</p></blockquote><p>The probability space might not be fully defined. While I understand komi with 0.5 doesn't allow Jigo, probabilitydoesn't know that so given the absence of Jigo these probabilities might need re-stating to add up to 100%<br></p><blockquote type="cite"><p>2) You state: "We have agreed so far that setting the bar at 1k or 1d produces an unfair tournament". <strong>False.</strong> The tournament is perfectly fair</p></blockquote><p class="default-style">I'm not sure fair or unfair is helpful here. Fair pl<span class="st"><em></em>ay is a virtue of rule adherence whereby players abide by the rules of competition and a fair competition is one with transparency and determinability. But above the bar it is not a fight between equals. </span><br></p><p class="default-style"><span class="st">The discussion seems to be about whether it is reasonable, sensible or preferable. It seems that the balance of discussion indicates that even games are preferred by stronger players. <br></span></p><blockquote type="cite"><p> -</p><p>3) Please remember that the purpose of a Go Tournament is for people to enjoy themselves -- not to produce a "perfect" result. </p></blockquote><p>I think this is a point of complete agreement. </p><p>The disagreement seems to be whether people will enjoy themselves if they enter competitions they can't lose (I'll have three byes, then...) or they stand no chance of winning half their games and whether this is a cause for action/remedy. <br></p><blockquote type="cite"><p>. please stop this ridiculous idea of handicap games at the top of the draw.</p></blockquote><p>I think calling the idea "ridiculous" is a little harsh. Geoff raised a question and we are discussing it. <br></p><p>Gerry<br></p><p><br></p><p class="default-style"></p></body></html>