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</head><body><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite">On 01 October 2018 at 20:23 Jenny Rofe-Radcliffe via tournament-org <tournament-org@lists.britgo.org> wrote: <br> <br><div dir="ltr"><div class="ox-4b4055a255-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 20:16, Gerry Gavigan via tournament-org < <a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a>> wrote: <br></div><blockquote><u></u><div><blockquote type="cite">On 01 October 2018 at 18:32 TobyManning via tournament-org < <a href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a>> wrote: <br><p>Geoff's example is not a tournament with a sparse entry (compare Gerry's Cork example, which had 13 entrants between 2d and 20 kyu, which was sparse, and hence run as a pure handicap tournament.) Geoff's example is a tournament with an outlier.</p></blockquote><p>you say tomato I say tomato - a good tournament for all players is one tending to an even population and if stronger players can't be bothered to enter in a timely fashion we should make a good tournament for weaker players <br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nothing about setting the bar at 1k, 2k, 3k is going to affect the tournament for weaker players. Unless your definition of weaker player is well above the average standard of UK tournament players</div></div></div></blockquote><p>I beleiver weaker is a term suggesting "less strong than" and is capable of being distinguished from "weak" or "weakest" <br></p><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ox-4b4055a255-gmail_quote"><div></div><div>Thus far, two people (Alison and I) have expressed our preference for potentially being above the bar even if we don't anticipate a win, </div></div></div></blockquote><p>I did not realise we were taking a vote. I am trying to understand the underpinning tenets of a coherent system including the purpose of ratings and the rules applying to the strength one can enter a tournament and the effect of one's own decisions on others including the long term health of Go. For example I have seen several weaker players in clubs not return having been mauled by stronger players. Perhaps I am alone in having observed that. <br></p><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ox-4b4055a255-gmail_quote"><div>d only one (Gerry) has objected to the idea. I am not sure why it is Alison who Gerry deems to be extrapolating from a personal preference, rather than Gerry.</div></div></div></blockquote><p>If you can identify a preference I have applied to me personally I believe it can only be I don't enjoy being sandbagged by people entering tournaments below their strength. I have not suggested it is a principle of general applicability. Indeed that is my point, we have to look at the systems, formal and effective. <br></p></body></html>