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You can lead a horse to water....<br>
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Club membership and BGA membership overlap, but less than they used
to, and neither is necessary for the other. We have to recognise
this and be clear about what we want and why we want it.<br>
<br>
Clearly we want to support clubs by encouraging no-clubbers to make
the effort to turn up. But I think a flyer is the maximum
viable/sustainable effort credible for this.<br>
<br>
Similarly, we want to encourage no-clubbers that are also not BGA
members to join the BGA. But we also want to encourage clubbers who
are not BGA members to join the BGA. Should there be a different
approach to these two groups? I think not. Again, pointing out that
joining the BGA will generate a discount on the tournament fee, and
provision of a flyer identifying other reasons to join, would be
about as much is we could ask/expect tournament organisers to do.<br>
<br>
Complicating the issue is the fact that there are a lot of clubs
whose identified contacts are not BGA members. 20 out of 70, in
November 2016 when I tried to promulgate a GoTalk discussion about
that, seeking to understand what the BGA could do to encourage them
to join. I got so much shit in that discussion, being accused to
saying/doing things that I hadn't, I quit as membership secretary.
So I don't think I can help further on this!<br>
<br>
--Paul<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/07/2018 01:47,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Hi, Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I was also
hoping to find a simple approach. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Firstly,
though, we need to separate two issues: getting people to
affiliate to a club and getting them to subscribe to the BGA
are not the same thing (or are they? See below). Looking
back over the summer’s tournaments there were only a
handful of no-club entrants, many of them ‘usual suspects’
who entered several events. I only spotted a couple of
unfamiliar names and they tended to only go to one event
registered as no-club. I didn’t take it any further but
perhaps they have subsequently attended more events with
club affiliation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I’ve just
downloaded the ratings table, which says 65 out of 496
players are no-club. That is consistent with the half a
dozen event results that I looked at. So perhaps the number
of events no-club people enter is also informative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">For the
Scottish Open, we offered to charge non-members the members’
rate if they joined on the day. Special offer, get £6 off
your entry to the competition. The plan was to get them to
subscribe online once we’d finished registration or between
rounds. Nobody asked. There were three no-club players, all
of them stalwart players and none of them claiming BGA
membership. The others, bar two, were paid up members. The
two non-members were one student and one first-time player.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Post
tournament analysis is the challenging one, especially with
the transient foreign portion of our players. The level of
ambition must justify the effort. Do we want to identify
someone who has relocated so that we can introduce them to a
local club? Perhaps the answer to that is that they should
be just as capable of using the Clubs Directory as we are!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">When I first
joined Council, I started thinking about use cases and how
well we support them. That is back-burner stuff till I get
the Clubs Directory in better shape.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Neil <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Paul Barnard
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul@psaa.me.uk"><paul@psaa.me.uk></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 July 2018 19:02<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Club-chair@britgo.org">Club-chair@britgo.org</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tournament-org@lists.britgo.org">tournament-org@lists.britgo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tournament-org] Tournament
organiser's mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The simple
approach would be to hand a flyer to any 'no-club' entrant
when registering at the entry desk. Not much of a burden.<br>
<br>
More difficult would be to collect such entrants' email
addresses and physical addresses at registration (often not
done) and do some post-tournament location analysis and
emailing. Quite a burden. And quite a few people spend a lot
of the year away from their nominal address, so the analysis
might not be very accurate even if done.<br>
<br>
I imagine it would be fairly simple to produce a simple flyer
pointing at the BGA website club page.<br>
<br>
--Paul B<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 19/07/2018 16:13, Club-chair--- via
tournament-org wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I would be
interested in exploring the brief discussion earlier this
year about using tournament registration info to point ‘no
club’ entrants towards existing and emerging clubs and
vice versa. I think it was (perhaps unkindly) labelled
“too difficult” at the time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Neil</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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tournament-org </span><a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><tournament-org@lists.britgo.org></span></a><span
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<b>Sent:</b> 18 July 2018 21:57<br>
<b>To:</b> Tournament Org </span><a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US"><tournament-org@lists.britgo.org></span></a><span
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<b>Subject:</b> [tournament-org] Tournament
organiser's mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you all for agreeing to be on
this new mailing list for tournament organisers. Please
feel free to use the list to communicate with other
tournament organisers. Any tournament related topics are
up for discussion here:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
Matt<o:p></o:p></p>
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